Girls Treated Different? (this is the real post, not the other one)

            Sandra Cisneros would think that girls need to be treated differently. The same way that boys are treated should not be the same way that others (girls) are treated. She talks a lot about the way boys and girls are treated in her book.

In the vignette Alicia Who Sees Mice

"Close your  eyes and they'll go away, her father says, or You're just imagining.. And anyway, a woman's place is sleeping so she can wake up early with the tortilla star, the one that appears early just in time to rise and catch the hind legs hide behind behind the sink, beneath the four-clawed tub, under the swollen floorboards nobody fixes, in the corner of your eyes."(31)

In the vignette, Alicia is the daughter in the story and her father is telling her what she is suppose to be. The woman is suppose to leave early so she can wake up early and care for her family.He (the man) doesn't take in consideration of what the girl has to say about his opinion. Women in this book do not have much say to what men say for them to do. This applies to teenage girls as well. Cisneros knows that teenage girls are treated differently and raised differently than teenage boys. She does believe that they should be treated differently because girls share different feelings than girls. She writes about girls throughout the story and their experiences that occur in life. The difference in girls and boys is the reason why they should be raised differently.
In another vignette Cisneros describes how a man looks at her daughter.

''Her father says, to be this beautiful is trouble. They are strict in his religion. They are not suppose to dance. He remembers his sisters and is sad. Then she can't go out. Sally I mean ." (81)

Sally was a pretty girl. Her father was very protective. The reason he is protective is because of the experience his sisters had. They must of been pretty to, but guys took advantage because he says, "he remembers his sisters and is sad." Her sisters might not have been raised like sally so they got into trouble. Her father does not want sally to be like his sisters. Cisneros thinks that girls should be raised differently because they can't do many things or have many privileges. They can't go out, like sally. She thinks that girls should be bale to have some privileges. That is why Cisneros thinks that girls should be raised differently then boys.

Esperanza has described pictures of her life throughout this book. In the last four vignettes however, she writes about her future. In the first vignette her future is told by old ladies.

"Look at her hands, cat eyes said. And they turn them over and over as if they were looking for something. She's special. Yes, She'll go very far. Yes, yes, hmmm....When you leave you must remember to come back for the others." (104)

Esperanza was going to go far. That meant that she will become something great and succeed in life. But, the old women said that she had to come back. Esperanza could not let go of her past and she must come back to mango street because that  is where she lived.
      In the second Vignette, Alicia and I Talking on Edna's Steps,  Esperanza and Alicia talk about their  "real" and how they will go to them. Esperanza does not believe that the house on mango street is her's.

"No, this isn't my house I say and shake my head as if shaking could undo the year I've lived here. I don't belong. I don't ever want to come here... Like it or not you are Mango street, and one day you'll come back."(107)

 This vignette is very important to understand Esperanza's thought of her home.I think she does not like her house, but she does love Mango Street. That is where she grew up and what influenced her to become the Esperanza that she is.Esperanza is MANGO STREET. It also talks about how Alicia said that Esperanza will come back. i also read this in the first vignette. Esperanza needs to come back i the future. She can't leave mango street.
       In the third vignette, A house of my own, Esperanza describes a house. It seems to be a house that she would want to live in. Esperanza always wanted a nice house, not like the one she lived in.This is Esperanza's future house. 
   In the last vignette,  Mango says goodbye sometimes,  Esperanza writes on why she wrote the book and what her future will be like.  She wrote that she likes to tell stories and says how she will say good bye to mango.
      Overall, these four vignettes symbolize the importance of Esperanza's future. She does not like her house that she live in, but loves Mango street. She loves Mango Street because that is what influenced her life and goals, that is why she can't leave Mango street. She is confused about not liking mango street but really, she just doesn't like her house. That is why she wants to go far from it. But, she will come back to it because it is what made Esperanza, Esperanza. 

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo: 3rd Disscusion

Yes! Finally our last group discussion!! I think that our last discussion was the best we ever had. It was the end of the book so we all knew what happened and there were no new surprises that could be exposed.
The book was okay. If I were to rate it on a scale from one to ten(ten being the highest) I would have to say I would give it a six. Don't get me wrong this book was good, but I had trouble grasping the main point many times in the book.
What was difficult about the book was the plot. It seemed as if the story was going to present to past and the other way around. It is a VERY hard book to keep up with. The big idea behind the whole book has to do a lot with business and big corporate companies(which I am not found of) I don't like business or anything complex like that. So it was hard to enjoy reading my book when I had to be able to understand company issues as well.
 But wait........This book was also very interesting! Even though the may seem confused at parts between the book, while you start to read and get to where the plot starts to take more action you get clues along the way. I also like that the characters and setting took some place in Germany. I don't know, I think the names were cool and sounded cool.
What we mostly discussed was the purpose of the book and clarifying questions.After we finished the book we had comments to make on why events happened and what the author was trying to portray about it to go with the story. A Lot of questions came up. Many were just to clarify is something was true in a story or what someone missed reading.
 A question that really guided our discussion was
What do the facts on women of Sweden or Germany( I forgot which) and the big bolded words after every few chapters have to do with the story's idea?
I commented by saying that the story had some violence and the story revoled arounf busniss. It was a connection between the both.
Over all, the whole group discussion thing was awsome and I liked reading this book. You should read it!!

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo: 2nd Disscusion

So far this book has been not at all what I expected! I mean, I thouhght it would be more suspenseful and terrifying, but its not. I mean, don't get me wrong its a good book its just not at all what you think it would be.So after the second disscusion I sorta have a better understanding of the book. All the evidence is starting to get  clear and I know whats going to happen next.
Our disscusion was better than the other day and I contributed more to my book than any other book I hae done. Many questions came up and we sorta started some mini debates. A question that came up and I  thought was very interesting was: What is the author trying to portray throught the book with the headings he puts up  and the informaton on sweedish women? In the book there are facts about sweedish women and words that describe companys. I think the words are for the description of the process for big corpurate companies and how most of them take their process throuout the whole life of one. I dont really haev an idea on the sweedish woman facts, but I might later  on.
I think that this book is confusing at first and thats why we ushally ask a lot of questions in our disscusions. I really want to get to the end though to put all the evidence together and solve the case, The book is hard to get a firdt but, if you resad slow and have a good understanding of what goes on then you wil get it. I think disscussing has been a good thing to do and we have been able to help each other out during class.
What really got me turned on in the disscusuion was the spoiler that Andy said. It was about the lady who I thought was dead but she was not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant belivev it! Now I really want to finish the book. But, I also have to read a lot to catch up on.
I really cant wait till our next disscusion.

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo: 1st Disscusion

     So I am reading this book in Class and it is confusing, but it has a bit of a thrill to it. Oh yeah, its called Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Its bout a journalist who finds himself trying to solve a case of a missing girl. I cant really say to read the book or not since I barley started reading it, but so far it has been okay.
     Our first discussion was predictable. I knew most of what the people in my group would say. Throughout the first book part there was only talk on business ad getting back at companies. In our discussion there were many main points that we stayed discussing for most of the time.The main points were:
1. Story plot- where it was going and what it could be leading to
2. Characters- especially Blomkvist(I know, weird name)
3. Title of the book
4. And the business talking( it was confusing)
    I found that our first discussion made things a whole lot easier. Talking with the people in my group helped me understand parts of the story I did not know.I did not get how business related to the story idea, but after discussing about it I found out that it would help solve the case in the end.( well not all of it but most of it) We don't really know what going to happen next, but talking about what has happened makes things a whole lot easier.
    What I found hard about my discussion was that some people where on different pages of the book. We were all suppose too read to the clip, but some did  not finish and others read ahead. Discussion points also ran out and we couldn't think of what else we could talk about, but that only happened a few times.
    What I did like was hearing others perspective of the story and what they think of whats going on. Sometimes our discussion turned into a debate, but it mostly stayed as comments. Asking questions was good because it made everyone know what was going on, and answer each other.
      I also thought that listening to another group was helpful. We could hear great topics on a different book. We also got good ideas for our next group discussion and see how we could manage one better. Giving feedback also helped me learn what I could do to make our group discussion more productive.